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		<title>Business Thoughts: Tool Providers v. Service Providers</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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The hip new shiny thing for a new company is to position themselves as a service. Stepping back from the hype machine for a minute, can you really identify a service provider when you see one? Or are the companies that sell themselves as services are actually tools. And what differentiates a tool provider from [...]]]></description>
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<p><a title="Glass smash with liquid" href="http://flickr.com/photos/16102959@N00/3486270713"><img style="float:left;padding:4px;" src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3415/3486270713_8f67f76d8a_t.jpg" alt="" /></a>The hip new shiny thing for a new company is to position themselves as a <em>service</em>. Stepping back from the hype machine for a minute, can you really identify a service provider when you see one? Or are the companies that sell themselves as <em>services</em> are actually <em>tools</em>. And what differentiates a <em>tool provider</em> from a <em>service provider</em>?</p>
<p>A tool is designed to deliver a single unique function, such as a hammer or <a title="Twitter" href="http://twitter.com" target="_blank">Twitter</a>. Yes, Twitter is a tool. It is designed to take customer input in a variety of formats and from a number of sources and blast that content out to a variety of other formats and destinations.</p>
<p>Twitter is the tool. The items that feed into Twitter could be other tools (<a title="TweetDeck" href="http://tweetdeck.com/beta/" target="_blank">Tweetdeck</a> as an example), or they could be true services, such as <a title="Ping.fm" href="http://ping.fm" target="_blank">Ping.fm</a>. What separates these two?</p>
<p>TweetDeck is a tool that feeds input into Twitter, and helps you manage output.</p>
<p>Ping.fm takes your input, and sends it where you what, modifying the format appropriately and hiding it all from you. It took the complexity of a problem (How do I post to multiple social media sites simultaneously?) and delivered a <em>service</em> solution, not a <em>tool</em> solution.</p>
<p>The problem with tool providers is that the problem, no matter what it is, always is a great for their tool. All customer problems fit neatly into the boundaries of what they know, and can be solved by what they sell. Tweetdeck&#8217;s answer to helping you with Twitter is to give you more Twitter your way. But it doesn&#8217;t extend or build on Twitter to create something that is truly new.</p>
<p>Solution providers look at the customer problem and see something new. The team at Ping.fm took a look at their personal social media management issues and found a way to create a social media input service. <a title="FriendFeed" href="http://www.friendfeed.com/" target="_blank">FriendFeed</a> and <a title="FaceBook" href="http://facebook.com/" target="_blank">FaceBook</a> looked at the social media world and created a social media output service.</p>
<p>While tools are cool and shiny, they inevitable face the &#8220;Hammer v Screw&#8221; moment. The point when the tool reaches the outer ability of it&#8217;s ability to be useful.</p>
<p>Having many different hammers isn&#8217;t the solution. Heck, throwing in a wrench and a screwdriver isn&#8217;t the answer either. You&#8217;re still just selling tools.</p>
<p>When you step back and think about your business, when you consider what you deliver to your customers, can you really say that you deliver a service that extends and adds value to the tools you have at your disposal, that you are providing to your customers?</p>
<p>Or does everything just look like a nail?</p>

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		<title>Scaling Web Analytics &#8211; Considerations for Consumers</title>
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A comment on my Hit Tracking with PHP and MySQL post raised some interesting questions about what a consumer of Web analytics data needs to consider when selecting providers for their sites.
Most folks are familiar with the model of Web analytics vendors: You place their JS tag on your page which makes a call back [...]]]></description>
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<p><a title="Daily Traffic" href="http://flickr.com/photos/19365670@N04/2363258975"><img style="float:left;padding:4px;" src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2241/2363258975_4c1a659c4b_m.jpg" alt="" /></a>A comment on my <a title="Newest Industry - Hit Tracking with PHP and MySQL" href="http://newestindustry.org/2008/09/03/hit-tracking-with-php-and-mysql/" target="_blank"><em>Hit Tracking with PHP and MySQL</em></a> post raised some interesting questions about what a consumer of Web analytics data needs to consider when selecting providers for their sites.</p>
<p>Most folks are familiar with the model of Web analytics vendors: You place their JS tag on your page which makes a call back to their centralized system with all of the data that can be collected about the visitor who has just come to your site.</p>
<p>There are three items that you, the consumer of this third-party service, need to get straight answers about.</p>
<h3>Performance of the Tag</h3>
<p>Visitors to your site do not know which components you are responsible for and which you have farmed out to vendors and services. In their mind, all content is your content. This means that the performance of the Web analytics tag, which if not placed correctly on the page can affect the rendering of the content, is a critical factor in selecting a vendor.</p>
<p>To my knowledge, none of the Web analytics vendors used by most people blog and social media firms (StatCounter, GetClicky, Google Analytics, Omniture, etc.) freely share response time and error rate metrics of their tag infrastructure with the world as measured by a third party.</p>
<p>Is the tag delivered from a central location, or does the provider use a CDN? Is the data delivered asynchronously or synchronously?</p>
<p>The download performance of the tag is not the only concern. Ask them to provide data on the average processing time that they see when a client parses and processes the code. How does this processing time vary from browser to browser, between OSs? What steps are they taking to ensure that the tag does not affect the perceived performance of your page?</p>
<p>Ask for this data. Ask that the measurement data be collected by an impartial third party. Demand that this data be freely available to you before you make a decision on purchasing their service.</p>
<h3>Size of the Tag</h3>
<p>All of these services rely on a JS tag to collect and deliver the data to their data warehouse. Ask the provider to tell you how large this tag is, and what steps they have taken to reduce its size so that it has a limited effect on the download of your content.</p>
<p>Have they minified the tag? Is it delivered using HTTP compression to further reduce the size? Are ways to reduce the size of the tag always under considerations?</p>
<h3>Data Storage</h3>
<p>Analyzing data takes a couple of forms: daily operational views to spot changes or issues; and long-term trending to find larger patterns and major shifts in your visitors. As a result, data needs to be available with a substantial degree of detail while still providing aggregated data that allows larger patterns to be easily discovered.</p>
<p>How long does your provider store detailed data? What is the data expiry policy? Can you extract the data and import it into your own database?</p>
<h3>Summary</h3>
<p>Web analytics is key to determining what works and doesn&#8217;t work on your site. It tells who, where and how people are accessing your content. But without a Web analytics partner/vendor that provides performance and support, you may be left more in the cold than if you were just looking at your raw Web logs.</p>

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		<title>Video: The mistake of the personal brand</title>
		<link>http://newestindustry.org/2008/10/31/video-the-mistake-of-the-personal-brand/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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Personal Brand, Reputation, and The Mistake of Closed SourceA video description of why reputation outranks brand every time



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<p><span style="display:none;"><span>Personal Brand, Reputation, and The Mistake of Closed Source</span><span>A video description of why reputation outranks brand every time</span></span><span style="padding:0px; margin:0px; display:block"><object classid="clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000" width="435" height="355" codebase="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=6,0,40,0"><param name="bgcolor" value="#666666" /><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true" /><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always" /><param name="flashVars" value="video=hKKhbHBG6c&amp;version=threadedplayer" /><param name="src" value="http://seesmic.com/embeds/wrapper.swf" /><embed type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="435" height="355" src="http://seesmic.com/embeds/wrapper.swf" flashvars="video=hKKhbHBG6c&amp;version=threadedplayer" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" bgcolor="#666666"></embed></object></span><span style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; background: transparent url(http://seesmic.com/images/seesmichtml.gif) repeat-x scroll left top; display: block; width: 435px;"><a href="http://seesmic.com" target="_blank"><img style="border:none" src="http://seesmic.com/images/spacer.gif" border="0" alt="" width="100%" height="29" /></a></span></p>

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		<title>Branding v. Reputation: Idea Pairing</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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I spent some time today pairing ideas that separate Branding from Reputation. These came from my discussion of Branding being closed-source and Reputation being open-source [here].
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<p>I spent some time today pairing ideas that separate Branding from Reputation. These came from my discussion of Branding being closed-source and Reputation being open-source [<a title="Newest Industry - Branding is Closed-Source" href="http://newestindustry.org/2008/10/03/personal-branding-is-closed-source/" target="_blank">here</a>].</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just a start, but it&#8217;s a start.</p>
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Marketing has traditionally been a two-pronged attack on your mind and your wallet, designed to find the most effective ways to reach your mind, and get you to part with your money.
The techniques used to identify who to go after, how to go after them, and why this message will work drives a social media [...]]]></description>
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<p>Marketing has traditionally been a two-pronged attack on your mind and your wallet, designed to find the most effective ways to reach your mind, and get you to part with your money.</p>
<p>The techniques used to identify who to go after, how to go after them, and why this message will work drives a social media campaign as much as it does an old-school marketing campaign. The traditional layers in this model are targeting and messaging.</p>
<p>What is interesting is that the emergence of social media has turned a two-layer model into a three-layer model. The third layer has always been there, it just hasn&#8217;t been large enough to matter to anyone until the last 2-3 years.</p>
<p>The navel-gazing that is occurring in the social media marketing community is due to the rise of this third layer, the layer that is concerned with communicating.</p>
<p>This is not the <em>communications</em> that so many organizations confuse with branding. This is the communication that focuses on the best way to isolate conversations, identify engaged audiences, and participate in communities.</p>
<h3>Targeting</h3>
<p>The science of marketing lives here. Demographics are the foundation of the targeting phase of any marketing campaign. What does the market we are trying to reach look like?</p>
<p>In this area, <a href="http://lookery.com/" target="_blank">Lookery</a> and <a href="http://quantcast.com/">QuantCast </a> provide organizations with the data they need to decide when and where there message should go.</p>
<h3>Messaging</h3>
<p>This is where the science becomes the visible. Advertising and branding create the message that portrays the product to the customers, using the information gathered in the targeting phase.</p>
<p>Advertising and branding are not the same thing. Branding is the overarching vision that a product wants to push to the world while advertising is the ephemeral visual and aural methods used to get the brand embedded in the consciousness of a population.</p>
<h3>Communicating</h3>
<p>The third, and most critical circle in this cycle is communication. It is the one that companies so often get wrong, and that is garnering such a great deal of interest now. I would argue that until recently, companies have not understood communication, preferring to try and shape communication remotely, using advertising and branding, rather than engaging in it directly.</p>
<p>An organization that actively engages in communication is one that has a willingness to walk out from behind the safety of its brand and its advertising and talk to customers. Participate in conversations. Shape communities that emerge either for or against the product.</p>
<p>This is what companies are having so much difficulty with.</p>
<h3>Attention and Reputation</h3>
<p>Communicating with clients is the smallest circle because so few companies are doing it at all, and those that do it find it so hard to get <em>right</em>. What organizations have found is that attempting to use communication in the same way they use their existing marketing tools leads to failure here.</p>
<p>Getting the attention of a population of key customers is a targeting and messaging success. Holding the attention of these customers doesn&#8217;t require new advertising and a constantly refreshed brand. The people who we listen to most have a reputation, have opinions we trust.</p>
<p>It will be interesting to watch the true evolution of Corporate Communication (<em>Corporate Conversations?</em>) circle evolve in the next few years.</p>

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If you are interested in the area of social media marketing, head over to Peter Kim&#8217;s blog and check out Social Media Marketing&#8217;s Scalability Problem. The post is excellent, and the comments are the kind of conversation that needs to be had in this area.
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<p>If you are interested in the area of social media marketing, head over to Peter Kim&#8217;s blog and check out <a title="Peter Kim: Social Media Marketing's Scalability Problem" href="http://www.beingpeterkim.com/2008/08/social-media-ma.html" target="_blank"><em>Social Media Marketing&#8217;s Scalability Problem</em></a>. The post is excellent, and the comments are the kind of conversation that needs to be had in this area.</p>
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<li><a href="http://www.beingpeterkim.com/2008/08/social-media-ma.html#comment-127520482" target="_blank">Aaron Strout</a></li>
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<li><a href="http://www.beingpeterkim.com/2008/08/social-media-ma.html#comment-127660738" target="_blank">Phil Gillman</a></li>
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<p>The interesting thing is that this post is nearly two months old. And without realizing it, that&#8217;s about the time I started writing about conversation and community, branding v. reputation, and how the content-based advertising algorithms are failing the social media market.</p>
<p>I agree with the commenters and Peter Kim that there is a scalability problem when you are trying to have a conversation. that&#8217;s why companies rely so much on <em>branding</em>. However, if you take the time to build a community, you don&#8217;t have to scale your own conversation, as you will have the community willing to build your <em>reputation</em>.</p>
<p>Conversations and community happen around the reputation of brands, people, and products. And where there is a gap between the branding message and the reputation conversation, that&#8217;s when the greatest problems arise.</p>

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		<title>(Personal) Branding is Closed-Source</title>
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Last night I asked myself what would happen if blogs and social-media sites were no longer allowed to have advertising on them. What would be the revenue model for them? How would they generate income?
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<p>Last night I asked myself what would happen if blogs and social-media sites were no longer allowed to have advertising on them. What would be the revenue model for them? How would they generate income?</p>
<p>I fell back to the position that these sites were not originally created to be driven by advertising, but to develop <a title="Google - Search: Personal Brands" href="http://www.google.com/search?q=%22personal+brands%22" target="_blank">&#8220;personal brands&#8221;</a>, a topic that has been discussed by Chris Brogan [<a title="Chris Brogan - Personal Branding 1" href="http://www.chrisbrogan.com/develop-a-strong-personal-brand-online-1/" target="_blank">here </a>and <a title="Chris Brogan - Personal Branding 2" href="http://www.chrisbrogan.com/develop-a-strong-personal-brand-online-2/" target="_blank">here</a>] and others.</p>
<p>Then I realized something else: The idea of a personal brand, and the concepts of community and conversation, are mutually exclusive.</p>
<p>How can a <em>brand</em> interact with a community? How can a <em>brand</em> participate in a conversation?</p>
<p>People do these things. And while brands are important to people when thinking about companies, when dealing with with people, there is a far more important factor that gives a person&#8217;s opinion weight in a conversation: <strong>Reputation</strong>.</p>
<p>In a conversation and in a community, how you are perceived, regarded, and trusted is critical to allowing what you say to matter. If you have no reputation, your opinion may be politely listened to, and promptly ignored.</p>
<p>It comes to this: Branding and Brands, be they corporate or personal, are closed-source. By their nature a brand is something that is directed and defined by the brand-ee, not the community.</p>
<p>Reputation is the opposite of that. Reputation is what a brand gets from the community, from the conversation had outside the branded entity.</p>
<p>What does this mean?</p>
<p>Branding is closed-source. Reputation is open-source.</p>

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